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    Rising PH??

    I took a Ph reading of our effluent sample at 10:00pm and the PH was 7.76. I forgot about the sample and came in the next day and the PH was 8.89, what happened?? Just some more information. The water plant has R.O (reverse osmosis) as part of the treatment process. The wastewater plant is part activated sludge and part MBR.

     

     

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    1. Cas (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      I would suspect that atmospheric carbon dioxide dissolved in your sample and raised the pH.

    2. tzwilling (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      We are unsure why, maybe due to the reject water from the R.O sytem at the water plant. But carbon dioxide goes away and the P.H slowly rises.

    3. msilvanovich (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      The pH increased because CO2 off-gassed from the sample. This is due to the equilibrium relationship between to amount of CO2 in the wastewater sample and the amount of CO2 in the air above the sample. (This relationship is known as Henry’s Law). When the pH of the wastewater is below the mid-8′s there is generally more CO2 in the wastewater than its natural equilibrium level with the atmosphere. Therefore CO2 will off-gass over time until it reaches equilibrium, and pH will rise.

    4. jpaulson (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      CO2 off gassing is likely the cause. Temperature will also cause the pH to drift.

    5. pushkerm (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Since it is ASP and MBR plant prior to RO, it could be due to WAS have not been taken away from the system and this soluble microbial product (SMP) is passing through MBR permeate and enters in RO feed. This largly contains carbonaceous organic matter in the form of CO3, HCO3, hence the pH rises to alkaline side.

    6. Shari (Expert Level: Plant Manager) says:

      Several things could effect this. Was the sample sitting out and open? The temperture of the room, how many other chemicals had been opened with their fumes/particals in the air.

    7. bertc (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      If proper pH methods were used it wouldn’t have happend. So, that is why.

    8. itstk (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Probably increased because of the increase of temperature and contamination exposure. The longer it stayed there the higher the temp and contaminates.

    9. kardicat12 (Expert Level: Water Treatment Operator) says:

      It could be several things: electrode drift, change in sample temperature, CO2 off gassing.

    10. bwendt (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Check your meter. But C02 gasing off would be the likley cause.

    11. japhillippi (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Agree with bwendt

    12. jjlingo (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      C02 gassing off would be my first place I would look.

    13. debra669 (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Check your meter. But C02 gasing off would be the likley cause.

    14. labman1971 (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Could be a bad meter.But C02 gasing off is most likley.

    15. jukercat (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      C02 gassing off.

    16. BMehr (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      sounds like a CO2 issue

    17. chatter (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      C02 gassing off would be my first place I would look.

    18. Ed (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Ph will usally increase with temp.

    19. Kris-10 (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      CO2 gasing off is likely

    20. byrnsie4 (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Very interesting

    21. Zelph (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Dissolving atmospheric carbon dioxide probably raised the pH, but temperature differences could also play a role.

    22. pchrcane65 (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      sounds like CO2

    23. Jeffrey (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Sounds like the question has already been answered. I do know that it is in our permit that the pH reading must be taken within 15 minutes of sampling

    24. rjones1 (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      Check your meter. But C02 gasing off would be the likley cause

    25. dlo@vbgov.com (Expert Level: Water Treatment Operator) says:

      need more info. was it the same sample from the night before? or was the probe left in the same spot but measuring a different sample? Temperature also affect pH

    26. ghassett (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      check for chemical leak in the R.O. ours uses sodium hydroxide.

    27. DC081455 (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      C02 gasing off would be the most likley cause.

    28. dmcchristian (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      The sample will gain ions from the air and carbon dioxide gassing off raises the pH.

    29. SandyScott (Expert Level: Technician) says:

      CO2 would be the likely cause by it gassing off

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